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03:15:11 PM Presentation: Southeast Alaska Integrated Resource Plan - Public Testimony
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-- Public Testimony --
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                       February 23, 2012                                                                                        
                           3:13 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Neal Foster, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Lance Pruitt, Co-Chair                                                                                           
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Dan Saddler                                                                                                      
Representative Pete Petersen                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                       
Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
OTHER LEGISLATORS PRESENT                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Cathy Munoz                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION:  SOUTHEAST ALASKA INTEGRATED RESOURCE PLAN -                                                                      
PUBLIC TESTIMONY                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
JEREMY MAXAND, Mayor                                                                                                            
City and Borough of Wrangell; Member                                                                                            
Board of Directors                                                                                                              
Southeast Alaska Power Agency (SEAPA)                                                                                           
Wrangell, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Speaking on behalf of the SEAPA board of                                                                 
directors, provided comments on the draft Southeast Integrated                                                                  
Resource Plan.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
LARRY EDWARDS, Alaska Forest Campaigner                                                                                         
Greenpeace                                                                                                                      
Sitka, Alaska                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT:   Disagreed  with the  findings of  the draft                                                             
Southeast Integrated Resource Plan, and answered questions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL SATRE, Executive Director                                                                                               
Council of Alaska Producers (CAP)                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided comments  on the  draft Southeast                                                             
Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
BILL CORBUS                                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Speaking  as  a  member of  the  Southeast                                                           
Integrated  Resource   Plan  advisory  working   group,  provided                                                               
comments on the draft Southeast Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JODI MITCHELL, Chief Executive Officer and General Manager                                                                      
Inside Passage Electric Cooperative (IPEC)                                                                                      
Auke Bay, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided comments  on the  draft Southeast                                                             
Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PETER NAOROZ, President and General Manager                                                                                     
Kootznoowoo Incorporated ("Kootznoowoo")                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Provided  written and  oral  comments  in                                                             
opposition to the draft Southeast Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
HAROLD FRANK                                                                                                                    
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  comments  in  opposition to  the                                                             
draft Southeast Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DUFF MITCHELL, Business Manager                                                                                                 
Juneau Hydropower Inc. ("JHI")                                                                                                  
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided  comments  in  opposition to  the                                                             
draft Southeast Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TREVOR SANDE, Representative                                                                                                    
Tongass Forest Enterprises;                                                                                                     
President                                                                                                                       
R&M Engineering-Ketchikan, Inc.;                                                                                                
Owner                                                                                                                           
Marble Construction                                                                                                             
Ketchikan, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Speaking  as a  person  involved in  broad                                                           
aspects  of  industry,  shared   his  perspective  of  the  draft                                                               
Southeast Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
JOE SEBASTIAN, Commercial Fisherman                                                                                             
Kupreanof, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Speaking  on  his  own  behalf,  provided                                                             
comments  in   opposition  to  the  draft   Southeast  Integrated                                                               
Resource Plan.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
DAVID BEEBE, Commercial Fisherman                                                                                               
Petersburg, Alaska                                                                                                              
POSITION  STATEMENT:    Speaking  on  his  own  behalf,  provided                                                             
comments  in   opposition  to  the  draft   Southeast  Integrated                                                               
Resource Plan.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
PAUL SOUTHLAND, Executive Director                                                                                              
Alaska-Canada Energy Coalition;                                                                                                 
Interim General Manager                                                                                                         
Thomas Bay Power Authority                                                                                                      
Wrangell, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Speaking  on behalf  of the  Alaska-Canada                                                             
Energy Coalition,  provided comments  in opposition to  the draft                                                               
Southeast Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
STAN SELMER, Mayor                                                                                                              
Municipality of Skagway                                                                                                         
Skagway, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:     Speaking  in  his   capacity  as  mayor,                                                           
described  the   detrimental  effect   of  the   draft  Southeast                                                               
Integrated Resource Plan on Skagway.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MAVIS IRENE HENRICKSEN                                                                                                          
Skagway, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:  Spoke in favor of the intertie.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
HERFORD BURFORD                                                                                                                 
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided comments  on the  draft Southeast                                                             
Integrated Resource Plan.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:13:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  LANCE  PRUITT called  the  House  Special Committee  on                                                             
Energy meeting  to order  at 3:13  p.m.   Representatives Pruitt,                                                               
Foster,  Saddler, and  Lynn were  present at  the call  to order.                                                               
Representative Petersen  arrived as the meeting  was in progress.                                                               
Representative Olson was excused.   Representative Munoz was also                                                               
present.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION:    Southeast  Alaska Integrated  Resource  Plan  -                                                               
Public Testimony                                                                                                                
   PRESENTATION:  Southeast Alaska Integrated Resource Plan -                                                               
                        Public Testimony                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
3:15:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT announced  that the only order  of business would                                                               
be  further   discussion  and  public  testimony   on  the  draft                                                               
Southeast Integrated Resource Plan (SEIRP).                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:16:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEREMY MAXAND,  Mayor, City  and Borough  of Wrangell;  Member of                                                               
the Board  of Directors, Southeast  Alaska Power  Agency (SEAPA),                                                               
said SEAPA was formerly  known as the Four Dam Pool  and now is a                                                               
joint  agency  providing  power   to  Wrangell,  Petersburg,  and                                                               
Ketchikan.  The  Southeast Alaska Power Agency  operates the Swan                                                               
Lake and  Tyee Lake hydroelectric  (hydro) projects,  in addition                                                               
to  over  170  miles  of  transmission lines.    Mr.  Maxand  was                                                               
speaking on  behalf of the  SEAPA board of directors  and advised                                                               
that SEAPA is reviewing the  draft SEIRP and will provide written                                                               
comments to the  Alaska Energy Authority (AEA).   The SEAPA board                                                               
recognized that  the plan  is a  high level  directional document                                                               
that  does  not  provide  specific solutions,  and  that  further                                                               
detailed analyses are  needed to identify solutions.   Mr. Maxand                                                               
stated SEAPA  qualitatively agrees with  some of the  results and                                                               
observations identified by the draft  SEIRP, such as the shortage                                                               
of hydro  storage capacity in  the SEAPA region.   However, SEAPA                                                               
is seeking to  increase storage capacity and  pursue other energy                                                               
resources  while planning  for economic  growth.   He said  SEAPA                                                               
also agrees that  the recent increase in the cost  of heating oil                                                               
has  caused significant  conversions  from oil  space heating  to                                                               
electric  space heating.   The  plan recommends  that demand-side                                                               
management  (DSM),  energy  efficiency,  and  biomass  conversion                                                               
programs are  to be developed  and coordinated with  the region's                                                               
utilities; however, SEAPA cautioned that  the public is not fully                                                               
aware  that  a  problem  exists,  thus  the  state  must  take  a                                                               
leadership role to ensure success,  because local communities and                                                               
utilities do  not have the  resources to implement  this program.                                                               
He said  that SEAPA  also agrees that  DSM and  energy efficiency                                                               
are  the  cheapest and  fastest  ways  to  gain net  power  while                                                               
conserving hydro, and  bringing new hydro into  the power system.                                                               
Finally, Mr. Maxand said SEAPA  expects AEA and its contractor to                                                               
explain the  findings of the  draft SEIRP and involve  the public                                                               
in the solutions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:19:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARRY EDWARDS, Alaska Forest Campaigner,  Greenpeace, said he was                                                               
a long-time Sitka resident speaking  for Greenpeace.  Mr. Edwards                                                               
stated  the draft  SEIRP proposes  converting 80  percent of  the                                                               
region's space  heating to biomass within  10 years at a  cost of                                                               
$500 million.  He advised that  the plan dismissed heat pumps and                                                               
other  technologies based  on misinformation.   For  example, the                                                               
information on  air source  heat pumps  was outdated  and untrue.                                                               
The  plan  also   ignored  the  long-time  use   of  air  source,                                                               
geothermal,  or seawater  source  heat pumps  in  Southeast in  a                                                               
school,  homes, the  Sitka Ranger  District, U.S.  Forest Service                                                               
office,  the Juneau  airport,  and at  the  National Oceanic  and                                                               
Atmospheric  Administration (NOAA)  lab.   Another  error is  the                                                               
plan's claim  that six  and one-half cents  per kilowatt  hour is                                                               
the break-even point in energy  costs between heat pumps and wood                                                               
pellet stoves, if  wood pellets are at two  hundred fifty dollars                                                               
per ton.   Mr. Edwards said Black &  Veatch recently acknowledged                                                               
the break-even  point is really  nineteen and one-half  cents per                                                               
kilowatt hour.  In addition,  at current prices, pellet stoves do                                                               
not break  even with heat pumps  until the cost of  power reaches                                                               
twenty-nine cents per kilowatt hour,  less than the current price                                                               
of hydro,  which is  between nine and  twelve cents  per kilowatt                                                               
hour.  He  concluded that pellet stoves will be  more costly than                                                               
heat pumps  for the foreseeable  future.  The plan,  and previous                                                               
AEA  testimony that  wood pellet  heat is  much cheaper  than oil                                                               
heat, failed  to disclose that heat  pumps are cheaper to  run in                                                               
hydro communities.  Mr. Edwards  referred to his previous written                                                               
testimony submitted to the committee  on 2/9/12, which calculates                                                               
the significance of these errors.   He further concluded that the                                                               
draft  SEIRP  errors are  fatal,  and  a  revised draft  must  be                                                               
released so the public can comment  on a complete and fair draft.                                                               
Finally, he advised that hydro  communities can be converted from                                                               
electric resistance and  fuel oil heating to  heat pumps, instead                                                               
of to  biomass, under  a 10-year program.   In  Sitka, converting                                                               
homes  from electricity  to  heat  pumps would  result  in a  net                                                               
reduction  of the  city's power  consumption.   Recent technology                                                               
demonstrated in  Scandinavia makes efficient seawater  heat pumps                                                               
economic even in residential areas.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:25:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT   pointed  out   that  the  draft   SEIRP  warns                                                               
converting home heating to use  electricity or heat pumps creates                                                               
such a drain on  hydro-generated electricity that communities may                                                               
have to burn more diesel oil.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:25:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  EDWARDS  answered  residents   are  converting  to  electric                                                               
resistance heat,  not electrically  driven heat pumps,  which are                                                               
three times more  efficient than resistance heat.   In Sitka, the                                                               
savings would  be 16,000 megawatt  hours per year.   Mr. Edwards,                                                               
in further  response to  Co-Chair Pruitt,  noted the  draft SEIRP                                                               
includes  incentives to  encourage conversions,  such as  capital                                                               
costs paid by the  state.  If the same amount  of money was spent                                                               
to convert homes to heat pumps  residents would "be a lot farther                                                               
ahead in  the long run."   He  cautioned that biomass  costs will                                                               
fluctuate with  supply and demand  as in the past;  however, heat                                                               
pumps will provide lower and stable costs.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:28:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL SATRE,  Executive Director,  Council of  Alaska Producers                                                               
(CAP),  stated the  Council of  Alaska Producers  is a  nonprofit                                                               
trade association representing producing,  large, metal mines and                                                               
developmental projects in  the state.  Three  CAP members operate                                                               
and  explore in  Southeast Alaska,  and have  an interest  in the                                                               
energy  development   plans  for   the  region:     Coeur  Alaska                                                               
Kensington  Gold Mine,  Hecla Mining  Company Greens  Creek Mine,                                                               
and  Heatherdale Resources  Ltd.,  the developer  of the  Niblack                                                               
project.  Mr. Satre said  mining and milling are energy intensive                                                               
processes and in remote locations  power is typically produced by                                                               
diesel  generators.   The Kensington  gold mine  and the  Niblack                                                               
project generate their  own power, but in 2006,  through a public                                                               
private  partnership,   Greens  Creek  mine  was   connected  via                                                               
intertie to the grid serviced  by Alaska Electric Light and Power                                                               
(AEL&P) in  Juneau.  Greens  Creek is an  interruptible customer;                                                               
nevertheless,  the  economic benefit  of  the  hydro it  receives                                                               
extends the  life of the  mine.  Furthermore, a  large industrial                                                               
customer connected  to the  grid resulted  in lower  increases to                                                               
the  rates charged  to Juneau  customers.   He  opined the  draft                                                               
SEIRP does  not address the  existing or future  large electrical                                                               
loads that  mining may bring.   The plan also does  not recognize                                                               
that since  Greens Creek  was connected to  the grid,  its demand                                                               
has exceeded  the capacity of  AEL&P to provide electricity  on a                                                               
regular  basis,  or  that  the   potential  from  Kensington  may                                                               
accelerate  the   development  of  generation   and  transmission                                                               
projects.   The  council does  agree that  mining development  is                                                               
speculative  to  some  degree, but  mining  development  has  the                                                               
potential to benefit  the entire region.   Mr. Satre acknowledged                                                               
that  the plan  analyzes  the challenges  to  the development  of                                                               
renewable  energy resources  in  the region,  and highlights  the                                                               
shortage of storage  capacity, but in the  short-term ignores the                                                               
potential  for  mining   on  both  side  of  the   border.    His                                                               
organization  requests that  the  committee  and the  legislature                                                               
direct  AEA  to  appropriately   account  for  mining  and  large                                                               
industrial users in short- and long-term recommendations.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:32:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT  asked   whether  the  focus  of   SEIRP  is  on                                                               
residential, and does not look  at industrial development and its                                                               
potential.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. SATRE said  yes, there is a huge focus  on residential issues                                                               
due  to the  space heating  conversions.   He explained  that CAP                                                               
wants  the plan  to look  at mining  or another  large industrial                                                               
user  as  an   anchor  tenant.    Once   established,  the  large                                                               
industrial user can extend  infrastructure throughout the region,                                                               
and leverage  its demand  to lessen  the cost  of power  in small                                                               
villages.    The industrial  user  could  be mining,  timber,  or                                                               
seafood processing.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT agreed.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:34:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BILL  CORBUS stated  he is  a former  manager of  Alaska Electric                                                               
Light and  Power (AEL&P), and  a former commissioner  of revenue.                                                               
Mr.  Corbus said  his  experience allows  him  to understand  the                                                               
electrical situation  and the  interests of the  state.   He also                                                               
served  on  the  SEIRP  advisory   working  group.    Mr.  Corbus                                                               
expressed his  support of the  draft plan; the state  has limited                                                               
long-term financial resources and the  draft SEIRP is in the best                                                               
long-term  interest  of  Southeast's electrical  users,  and  the                                                               
state's financial  resources devoted  to electrical matters.   He                                                               
opined   the   plan   recommended  four   important   directions:                                                               
eliminate   the   concept   of  an   electrical   interconnection                                                               
throughout Southeast  Alaska; address  the problem  of converting                                                               
homes and businesses to electric  heat; adhere to market analysis                                                               
that indicates  the Alaska/British Columbia  (AK/BC) transmission                                                               
link should be placed on "hold"  and reexamined later; and do not                                                               
make  specific  provisions  for   providing  electricity  to  the                                                               
proposed  mines.   Mr.  Corbus  returned to  the  subject of  the                                                               
Southeast intertie and pointed out  that the cost of providing an                                                               
intertie  system is  $1  billion in  2011 dollars:     The  state                                                               
simply cannot afford  that.  The analysis of  the intertie looked                                                               
at the project  from two economic perspectives,  and he expressed                                                               
satisfaction  with  the  elimination  of  the  intertie  concept.                                                               
Turning to the  matter of electric heat, he said  that because of                                                               
the  home heating  conversions to  electricity, Juneau  will soon                                                               
run out  of electricity  even with the  recent completion  of the                                                               
Lake Dorothy hydro  plant.  Building new hydro  projects would be                                                               
expensive and  would cause rates to  increase significantly, thus                                                               
the  demand-side  proposal and  the  state  program to  encourage                                                               
residents'  conversion to  pellet  heating technology  is a  good                                                               
answer  to the  challenge.   Furthermore,  at the  time SEIRP  is                                                               
updated,  the AK/BC  Intertie should  be  reconsidered if  market                                                               
conditions  have  changed.    Finally,  when  considering  mining                                                               
loads, Mr. Corbus said  it takes a long time to  develop a mine -                                                               
the Kensington  mine took 20 years  - and a mine  may not operate                                                               
over the long term.   It is only appropriate to  "help ... out" a                                                               
mine  after  it is  running,  and  if  it  pays its  way  without                                                               
subsidized energy.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:40:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ   asked  Mr.  Corbus  to   comment  on  the                                                               
feasibility  of a  Lake Dorothy  electrical tie-in  to Kensington                                                               
mine, and whether  that would enable the Lake  Dorothy project to                                                               
expand to Phase 2.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. CORBUS  pointed out he is  not the current manager  at AEL&P,                                                               
but  that he  is aware  there have  been "discussions."   Several                                                               
transitions  in   the  Kensington   Mine  management   have  made                                                               
discussions difficult.     He observed that  there are  two small                                                               
hydro projects  located near  the Kensington  mine that  could be                                                               
developed,  and if  so,  they  would reduce  the  amount of  fuel                                                               
consumption  by the  mine and  avoid  the cost  of extending  the                                                               
transmission lines.  He said,  "That might be the least expensive                                                               
way to  go rather  than building  Phase 2 of  Lake Dorothy  and a                                                               
transmission intertie."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:42:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MUNOZ asked at what  point Phase 2 of Lake Dorothy                                                               
becomes feasible, and  whether that is determined by  a growth in                                                               
population to a certain level,  or if a large industrial customer                                                               
such as Greens Creek mine would justify the second phase.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. CORBUS explained that the  need for expansion at Lake Dorothy                                                               
is very  difficult to predict and  he hoped it is  "a long, long,                                                               
ways  out the  road," because  building  Phase 1  was an  arduous                                                               
process.    He  urged  for  other nearby  hydro  projects  to  be                                                               
explored first, and cautioned that  building at Lake Dorothy will                                                               
increase rates to all customers.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  PRUITT asked  what role  industry played  in developing                                                               
SEIRP.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:44:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CORBUS  expressed his belief that  there was not a  member of                                                               
the  mining  industry in  the  advisory  working group,  however,                                                               
members of the mining industry  attended many of the meetings and                                                               
made comments during the process.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT  surmised the advisory  working group  focused on                                                               
residential needs, and did not look  at the impact of existing or                                                               
future industry, or of an anchor tenant.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:45:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  CORBUS stated  that  the  thrust was  to  look  out for  the                                                               
interests  of   existing  customers;   it  would   be  considered                                                               
speculative to take into consideration  that "a mine may be built                                                               
so many years down  the road."  The plan will  be updated in five                                                               
years, and it may  be known then whether there will  be a mine on                                                               
Prince of Wales Island.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MUNOZ  asked  whether  the  Kensington  load  was                                                               
considered in the plan.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. CORBUS indicated yes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:46:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETERSEN asked  whether deliberations included the                                                               
consideration of a public private  partnership with gold mines in                                                               
order to provide power that would  be available to all users.  In                                                               
response to  Mr. Corbus,  Representative Petersen  clarified that                                                               
he was asking about deliberations  during the SEIRP process about                                                               
whether a  gold mine operation  could contribute to  the building                                                               
of transmission lines and reduce the overall price of a project.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:47:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. CORBUS  said he  did not  recall that  specific subject.   He                                                               
noted that  the partnership between  AEL&P and Greens  Creek mine                                                               
"took care  of itself ... without  the help of the  Alaska Energy                                                               
Authority."    He  opined  the  Kensington  mine  has  that  same                                                               
opportunity with  several potential projects, one  is with AEL&P,                                                               
and one is with an independent power producer.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JODI  MITCHELL,  Chief  Executive Officer  and  General  Manager,                                                               
Inside  Passage Electric  Cooperative  (IPEC), stated  IPEC is  a                                                               
small, member-owned  utility serving  1,300 customers  in Angoon,                                                               
Hoonah, Kake, Klukwan,  and the Chilkat Valley.  She  said from a                                                               
rural perspective, the draft SEIRP provides  a plan and a map for                                                               
the future.   Her organization developed an energy  plan in 2009,                                                               
"to wean  ourselves off of diesel."   At this time,  IPEC's rates                                                               
are  in  the  sixty-four  cents   per  kilowatt  hour  range  for                                                               
residential customers.  She recalled  rates of about twenty-eight                                                               
cents  per kilowatt  hour in  1993, but  oil is  now over  $4 per                                                               
gallon  in villages  and rates  have climbed.   Residents  in the                                                               
villages  are  having a  hard  time  paying for  electricity  and                                                               
heating  costs, and  many are  heating with  wood.   Ms. Mitchell                                                               
said  the power  cost  equalization (PCE)  program  helps the  30                                                               
percent  of   IPEC's  customers   who  are  eligible,   but  many                                                               
businesses  are   failing.    Customers  who   are  heating  with                                                               
electricity have hurt  IPEC's plans for the  future because there                                                               
is  no excess  power available  from the  Swan-Tyee Intertie  for                                                               
Kake even  though the intertie  was completed only one  year ago.                                                               
The  proposed  Ketchikan-Metlakatla  Intertie may  provide  power                                                               
through the SEAPA network, however,  another project may take 10-                                                               
15  years before  coming online.   Ms.  Mitchell agreed  with the                                                               
draft  SEIRP regarding  the problem  caused by  using electricity                                                               
for heat, and  she also believed that interties  are not economic                                                               
due to  rising construction  costs that are  beyond the  reach of                                                               
small communities.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:53:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL continued to say  there are three committed projects                                                               
recommended   by  the   draft  SEIRP   that  will   benefit  IPEC                                                               
ratepayers:   the Gartina  Falls project in Hoonah, although that                                                               
project will only displace 35-40  percent of the diesel-generated                                                               
power;  the   Kake-Petersburg  Intertie;  and  the   Thayer  Lake                                                               
Hydropower   Development  by   Kootznoowoo   Incorporated.     In                                                               
addition,  there is  the proposed  Walker Lake  hydro project  to                                                               
benefit the  upper Chilkat Valley.   She concluded that  the plan                                                               
provides an opportunity  for the region to  work toward solutions                                                               
that   will  decrease   energy  costs   for  the   "have-nots  in                                                               
Southeast,"  so IPEC  communities  may also  benefit from  grant-                                                               
funded renewable energy infrastructure.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:57:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MITCHELL,   in  response  to   Co-Chair  Foster,   said  the                                                               
residential rate is 64 cents before PCE.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR PRUITT asked why Kootznoowoo  Incorporated has not spent                                                               
its Phase 4 renewable energy grant.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. MITCHELL deferred to Mr. Naoroz.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:58:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PETER   NAOROZ,  President   and  General   Manager,  Kootznoowoo                                                               
Incorporated  ("Kootznoowoo"),  stated  that Kootznoowoo  is  the                                                               
Alaska  Native  Claims  Settlement Act  (ANCSA)  corporation  for                                                               
Angoon.    As part  of  its  land settlement,  Kootznoowoo  holds                                                               
"hydro  rights" within  Admiralty Island  National Monument,  and                                                               
applied  for  Thayer  Lake Hydropower  Development  (TLHD)  grant                                                               
money in  that capacity.   Kootznoowoo  has 1,100  shareholders -                                                               
most  living  in Southeast  -  and  most  of  its assets  are  in                                                               
Southeast as well, including mining  interests on southern Prince                                                               
of Wales Island.  Commercial Kootznoowoo ratepayers pay sixty-                                                                  
seven  cents per  kilowatt hour,  and the  corporation is  in the                                                               
process  of  developing its  lands,  thus  its deep  interest  in                                                               
energy matters.   Mr.  Naoroz advised that  the draft  SEIRP does                                                               
not address  how the  private sector works  in Southeast,  or how                                                               
Kootznoowoo can work  with the state to contribute  to the energy                                                               
solution  for  the region.    In  response to  Co-Chair  Pruitt's                                                               
earlier question, he said Kootznoowoo  is thankful that TLHD is a                                                               
committed project within the plan,  based on the advisory working                                                               
group's  recommendation.   However,  working  with  AEA has  been                                                               
difficult  regarding the  grant agreement,  in that  the Round  4                                                               
grant  monies  were based  on  a  matching  grant from  the  U.S.                                                               
Department of Energy  (DOE).  After arranging to  combine the two                                                               
grants, Kootznoowoo has come to  satisfactory terms with AEA, and                                                               
will  be  moving forward  to  a  signed  agreement shortly.    He                                                               
confirmed  Kootznoowoo's commitment  to the  project is  "the top                                                               
priority for the corporation."   Returning attention to the draft                                                               
SEIRP, he  said the plan is  a radical departure from  the energy                                                               
planning  of  the  collective leadership's  vision  of  Southeast                                                               
Alaska  for 30  years; in  fact, the  plan raises  more questions                                                               
than answers,  and comes  to premature  conclusions that  are not                                                               
supported by facts.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:03:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. NAOROZ agreed that the  intertie system is expensive, but the                                                               
draft SEIRP did not  look at ways to lower the  cost, such as the                                                               
fact  that  corridors  allowing for  utility  lines  through  the                                                               
Tongass  National  Forest  have  been approved  for  many  years,                                                               
albeit  not  implemented.     Also,  Kootznoowoo  has  repeatedly                                                               
offered to AEA proposals for  the intertie estimated to save $100                                                               
million.   However,  as  the draft  SEIRP is  "the  best plan  we                                                               
have," Mr. Naoroz opined the plan  should be sent back to AEA for                                                               
further  analyses  of  costs.   He  also  questioned  the  future                                                               
electrical load  estimated by  the draft  SEIRP, and  pointed out                                                               
that sawmills and  mines need to be built within  five years, and                                                               
that the  electrical load of  existing mines - like  Greens Creek                                                               
and Kensington - should be considered  in the same way as Angoon,                                                               
along with  its future airport,  ferry terminal,  and residential                                                               
development.   He  concluded that  electrical  lines, loads,  and                                                               
generation capabilities  are undersized  by the draft  SEIRP, and                                                               
that  its  analysis  assumes  the  state  pays  for  all  of  the                                                               
generation  and  transmission  lines,  even  though  the  private                                                               
sector  and  tribal  monies would  help  build  the  transmission                                                               
lines.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:06:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NAOROZ called  attention  to a  summary  submitted with  his                                                               
written  comments  entitled,   "Spread  Sheet  confirming  amount                                                               
available by  subregion for Biomass,  DSM/EE and  Diesel upgrades                                                               
SE IRP,"  dated 2/12/12.   The document indicated that  the draft                                                               
SEIRP  recommends  spending  $222  million over  three  years  on                                                               
biomass,  energy efficiency,  DSM, and  diesel plants.   He  said                                                               
this is  not good  planning, but that  the state  should identify                                                               
the  roles   of  the  state,  the   federal  government,  private                                                               
entities,  and the  people.   Kootznoowoo has  developed a  plan,                                                               
based  on former  Governor Murkowski's  Administrative Order  No.                                                               
230 (AO 230), effective 10/19/06,  which said state agencies need                                                               
to work  together on  the completion of  the interties  and power                                                               
projects.     The  administrative   order  was  supported   by  a                                                               
resolution of the City of Angoon.   Mr. Naoroz concluded that the                                                               
region  should  have  an integrated  resource  plan  that  fairly                                                               
evaluates loads  and potential loads, including  those of mining,                                                               
timber, and cruise ship plug-ins.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:09:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN  asked  about the  potential  for  tidal                                                               
energy in Angoon.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. NAOROZ said Angoon has the  best resource for tidal energy in                                                               
the state.   Unfortunately, because  Canada offers  incentives to                                                               
companies to explore tidal resources,  this industry holds little                                                               
interest in  Alaska.   A change  in policy  is needed  toward the                                                               
open  access  that  would  be  provided  by  the  proposed  AK/BC                                                               
Intertie.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PETERSEN   urged  keeping  watch   on  developing                                                               
technologies.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. NAOROZ agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:12:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HAROLD  FRANK stated  he was  a recent  graduate from  university                                                               
with a  degree in  renewable energy after  writing his  thesis on                                                               
tidal energy.   He said he has had a  20-year career in Southeast                                                               
Alaska, working in  federal and private sector  positions in land                                                               
management and environmental planning.   Mr. Frank was originally                                                               
from Angoon and  considers it his home,  recalling that sometimes                                                               
the  diesel  generators  were  turned  off to  save  money.    He                                                               
recently  completed  a  master's program  at  Central  Washington                                                               
University with an  emphasis on methods that Angoon  could use to                                                               
provide  affordable and  renewable  energy.   He  said the  SEIRP                                                               
process mirrors  the federal  process which  encourages utilities                                                               
to  promote energy  efficiencies around  existing infrastructure,                                                               
and  not  changes  in  consumer  behavior.   As  early  as  1992,                                                               
Congress  relied on  energy  providers to  find  ways to  improve                                                               
energy efficiency  without increasing capacity, and  this pattern                                                               
is reflected  in the draft SEIRP.   After a review  of the draft,                                                               
he was concerned that the  document lacks inclusiveness, and that                                                               
affected consumers do  not have a voice.   Suggestions from small                                                               
municipalities, tribes, small business,  mining, and tourism were                                                               
excluded.   He was  also concerned  that the  energy path  in the                                                               
plan -  using energy efficiency  and biofuels - is  not supported                                                               
by consumer behavior in Juneau,  Sitka, and Ketchikan.  His third                                                               
concern was  the use  of DSM to  create a policy  to last  for 50                                                               
years;  this  action  hints  at  protectionism  and  monopolistic                                                               
control   of  the   evolving  economic   opportunity  of   energy                                                               
production in Southeast Alaska.   A more traditional model is one                                                               
of  supply  and  demand;  in fact,  a  healthy  economy  embraces                                                               
competition between  suppliers.  History proves  the paradox that                                                               
an increased  supply of energy  increases consumption.   Although                                                               
the 1992 federal  process encouraged DSM, it also  provided a way                                                               
to increase the supply of energy.   Mr. Frank concluded that this                                                               
can be done  in Southeast by identifying new  energy sources such                                                               
as the proposed  dams, and a north to south  intertie, neither of                                                               
which  was  meaningfully  analyzed  in  the  draft  SEIRP.    The                                                               
availability  of  affordable energy  for  all  in Southeast  will                                                               
reveal  the full  value  of private  and  state landholdings  and                                                               
interests.   He expressed his hope  that Angoon will not  have to                                                               
continue  to shut  off its  power at  night.   Lastly, Mr.  Frank                                                               
observed during his  studies that one of the  roles of government                                                               
is to incentivize utilities by  tax opportunities like those that                                                               
have  encouraged the  construction  of wind  farms in  Washington                                                               
State.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:20:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DUFF MITCHELL, Business Manager,  Juneau Hydropower Inc. ("JHI"),                                                               
said JHI is  a privately owned and  privately financed hydropower                                                               
development  company  that  is  developing  the  Sweetheart  Lake                                                               
hydroelectric  project.   This  project  is  a 30  megawatt  (MW)                                                               
capacity  lake-tap system  that  will generate  136,000 MW  hours                                                               
annually for  the City  and Borough of  Juneau during  an average                                                               
rainfall year.   His company is  in the process of  licensing and                                                               
permitting,  and could  be generating  electricity by  2015-2016.                                                               
Mr. Mitchell provided a short  history of the project, saying the                                                               
site has  been identified as  a federal  site since 1915,  and in                                                               
1929 was given  a federal power site  classification, meaning the                                                               
federal  land was  withdrawn for  the primary  use of  developing                                                               
hydropower.  In  1958, plans were developed for the  site but the                                                               
project  was not  built  due to  the  lack of  a  market for  the                                                               
resource.   Mr. Mitchell said, "  ... the market timing  to build                                                               
it is now."  His company  believes in enhancing the full spectrum                                                               
of  environment  including  aquatics,  esthetics,  wildlife,  and                                                               
recreation.     Referring   to  "solutions,"   he  advised   that                                                               
hydropower   is  the   cleanest  proven   method  of   electrical                                                               
generation,  and Southeast  is  well-suited to  hydropower; as  a                                                               
matter of fact,  the draft SEIRP includes a  list of well-defined                                                               
and  identified private  and public  hydropower storage  projects                                                               
that  would  utilize  lake-tap  hydropower  technology  developed                                                               
primarily in Southeast,  yet the plan fails to  prioritize any of                                                               
the projects on the economics  of the delivered cost to citizens.                                                               
Because of  this, it is  not possible  to rank projects  on their                                                               
intended cost  of energy.    Hydropower interties have  proven to                                                               
be  reliable for  100 years,  but are  discounted as  a preferred                                                               
alternative in the plan.    Specific to Juneau, the conversion of                                                               
home  heating from  oil to  electricity was  not quantified  even                                                               
though  Juneau  represents  one-half   of  the  Southeast  energy                                                               
market.    Because  of   insufficient  hydropower  storage,  this                                                               
increase caused  interruptible customers to be  cut off, reducing                                                               
income to  Juneau's economy, and  increasing energy  costs, which                                                               
hurt  local  employers  and  industry.     He  acknowledged  that                                                               
hydropower storage  is also affected  by rainfall.   Mr. Mitchell                                                               
advised  the  plan failed  to  do  the  following:   include  the                                                               
kilowatt hour  sales data  from any community  for 2011  or 2010;                                                               
recognize or  incorporate Sitka or Juneau's  climate action plans                                                               
that call for electrification of  mines and cruise ships, and the                                                               
use  of ground  source heat  pumps such  as those  at the  Juneau                                                               
International Airport,  Dimond Park  Aquatic Center,  and AEL&P's                                                               
corporate  building,  and bonded  for  installation  at Auke  Bay                                                               
School.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:26:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHELL  continued, saying  the draft  SEIRP also  failed to                                                               
consider:  local  policies or community energy  and action plans;                                                               
industrial  development  loads,  which  negatively  impacted  its                                                               
analysis and  the economic development of  the region; hydropower                                                               
and  interties  as  a resource  development  industry,  which  is                                                               
supported  by  Senator Murkowski.    He  characterized the  draft                                                               
SEIRP as an  insular plan that did not consider  the demands from                                                               
energy-consumptive industry  such as the Kensington  mine and the                                                               
positive effect  it could have  on economy  of scale.   Moving to                                                               
non-Juneau  market specific  comments,  he said  the draft  SEIRP                                                               
project  financing did  not include  private financing  or models                                                               
where private industry can help  serve the state's needs, yet the                                                               
state energy  policy promotes  private enterprise  and encourages                                                               
private  development.   Mr. Mitchell  also  questioned the  draft                                                               
SEIRP's assumption  that oil  prices will  decline, which  is not                                                               
supported by  the Department of  Revenue.  Also, the  draft SEIRP                                                               
does not address  barriers to entry - either by  federal or state                                                               
governments -  or open access transmission  tariff (OATT) reform,                                                               
which  would   enable  smaller  businesses  access   to  existing                                                               
infrastructure.    Mr. Mitchell  turned  attention  to the  SEIRP                                                               
advisory  working  group,  pointing  out  that  members  did  not                                                               
include  resource  development  industries or  independent  power                                                               
producers,  and  ignored the  price  volatility  of pellets  when                                                               
compared  to  other  sources  of   energy.    He  concluded  that                                                               
hydropower   is   the  safe   hedge   against   all  other   fuel                                                               
volatilities.  Mr. Mitchell quoted from AEA as follows:                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     The  granularity of  the analysis  underlying this  IRP                                                                    
     and  the quality  and  inclusiveness  of all  available                                                                    
     information   on   potential  projects   as   discussed                                                                    
     elsewhere, is  not sufficient  to identify  the optimal                                                                    
     combination  of  specific   resources  that  should  be                                                                    
     developed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:34:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MITCHELL surmised this disclaimer  raised the question:  What                                                               
did the state  spend $1 million on?  He  closed, saying the draft                                                               
SEIRP  is  skewed  with predisposed  and  designed  outcomes  and                                                               
incorrect key data  - intentionally or unintentionally  - and the                                                               
legislature  should  send  the  document  back  to  AEA,  form  a                                                               
balanced  working  group,  and  have  an  independent  contractor                                                               
follow  through  with  a  final   plan  that  is  "energy  source                                                               
agnostic."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:35:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TREVOR   SANDE,  representative,   Tongass  Forest   Enterprises;                                                               
president,   R&M  Engineering-Ketchikan,   Inc.;  owner,   Marble                                                               
Construction,   informed  the   committee  that   Tongass  Forest                                                               
Enterprises  is  Southeast  Alaska's first  pellet  manufacturing                                                               
mill,  R&M engineering is  a small engineering company with about                                                               
20  employees, and  Marble Construction  is a  small construction                                                               
company  in Ketchikan.     Mr. Sande  told the  committee biomass                                                               
became his passion in 2006,  when he designed and constructed the                                                               
wood  chip-fired central  heat plant  heating the  swimming pool,                                                               
middle  school, elementary  school, and  the elementary  school's                                                               
gym,  in Craig.   The  new plant  reduced the  cost of  fuel from                                                               
about $250,000 per year to $30,000  per year.  This was the first                                                               
project  of its  kind in  Alaska, followed  by Tok  School.   Mr.                                                               
Sande pointed  out the  draft SEIRP does  not address  wood chips                                                               
specifically, only  wood pellets,  but he  opined wood  chips are                                                               
less expensive and  a very good heat source for  central plant or                                                               
larger installations.  Marble Construction converted  the Coffman                                                               
Cove School  from diesel heat  to a  chunk wood-fired system  - a                                                               
GARN  boiler  in a  box  -  that  is  very efficient  and  fairly                                                               
inexpensive  to operate.   He  opined biomass  will come  in many                                                               
forms, depending on the region  and the unique needs of villages.                                                               
Because of his  belief in the growth in this  industry, Mr. Sande                                                               
constructed  a  pellet mill  in  Ketchikan  that began  producing                                                               
pellets two weeks  ago, and has contracts to  deliver pellets for                                                               
$305 [per  ton].  He  stated that wood  will be a  stable source,                                                               
due  to the  massive volumes  of biomass  available in  Ketchikan                                                               
without  cutting timber.   As  the industry  grows, the  price of                                                               
biomass and pellets will to go  down and stabilize at around $250                                                               
per ton,  which is a  "nice profitable sales price  for pellets."                                                               
From  his engineering  business  experience, he  agreed with  the                                                               
draft  SEIRP  that interties  are  too  expensive to  build,  and                                                               
biomass  makes  sense  for  all   of  Southeast,  especially  for                                                               
residents other  than those on  the Juneau, Sitka,  and Ketchikan                                                               
grids.   He also agreed  that residents will continue  to convert                                                               
from oil to electricity, resulting in  an increase in the cost of                                                               
electricity.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:41:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN asked  if the pellets could be  made from any                                                               
type of wood.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. SANDE said the spruce, hemlock,  and cedar that he has tested                                                               
have passed premium  grade.  Indications are pellets  can be made                                                               
from any species,  and there is sufficient waste  wood from mills                                                               
in Southeast  right now.   In further response  to Representative                                                               
Lynn,  he said  Tok School  District is  harvesting and  grinding                                                               
trees from its  forest, some of which have been  killed by spruce                                                               
bark beetle.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:43:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOE  SEBASTIAN said  he was  a commercial  fisherman representing                                                               
himself.  Mr. Sebastian cautioned  a massive conversion to pellet                                                               
heat may  become a "gold  rush" to capture  government subsidies,                                                               
rather  than finding  a modern,  far-sighted  solution to  energy                                                               
costs in the future.  He explained  he has lived off the grid for                                                               
over   30  years   with  alternative   energy  sources   such  as                                                               
generators, propane, battery power,  inverters, and solar panels,                                                               
and these  alternative solutions are  not addressed by  the draft                                                               
SEIRP.   In  addition, he  recalled that  a house  in Angoon  was                                                               
recently  reconditioned  by  the  Southeast  Alaska  Conservation                                                               
Council  with  solar  panels,  an  inverter  and  batteries,  and                                                               
insulation, and energy costs were  lowered dramatically, but this                                                               
project is  not mentioned in  the plan or in  previous testimony.                                                               
Mr.  Sebastian stated  that his  personal experience  is that  it                                                               
will be  difficult for a  local pellet  industry to compete  on a                                                               
wide scale with large companies that  have access to wood, a rail                                                               
system, and  a shipping port.   The conversion  recommendation by                                                               
the draft  SEIRP is flawed, "bonanza-type"  thinking, unless, for                                                               
example,  Sealaska  Corporation  used  its wood  supply  to  mill                                                               
pellets instead  of exporting  rounds overseas;  however, without                                                               
heavy government subsidies, a major  pellet producing industry in                                                               
Southeast  Alaska  would collapse.    Mr.  Sebastian also  warned                                                               
against attempts to  turn the Tongass National  Forest old growth                                                               
into  a pellet  farm.   Because other  options are  available, he                                                               
said more work needs to be done on the draft SEIRP.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  BEEBE stated  he was  a commercial  fisherman representing                                                               
himself.    Mr. Beebe  said  he  has  followed energy  issues  in                                                               
Southeast  for  many years,  and  his  interest as  a  commercial                                                               
fisherman is in  the fact that the effects of  climate change and                                                               
ocean acidification  will affect  his livelihood  as well  as the                                                               
economy of  the region  and the  state.   He warned  that leading                                                               
scientists  attest   that  the   risks  of  climate   change  are                                                               
irreversible  and  catastrophic, and  that  Alaska  is among  the                                                               
first to  be affected  by problems brought  on by  manmade carbon                                                               
emissions.   Climate change is everyone's  problem, but Southeast                                                               
Alaska has solutions  to help by the use of  its renewable energy                                                               
resources  - which  have no  carbon  emissions -  such as  tidal,                                                               
wind, geothermal, and wave energy.    Mr. Beebe expected SEIRP to                                                               
provide energy  solutions for the  next 50 years that  would stem                                                               
the  climate crisis;  however, Black  & Veatch,  the U.S.  Forest                                                               
Service,  and  the  U.S.  Coast Guard  claim  biomass  energy  is                                                               
carbon-neutral,  but scientific  research  has proven  otherwise.                                                               
He explained that the rainforest  in Southeast stores some of the                                                               
highest volumes of carbon per  acre of all North America forests.                                                               
A conversion to biomass will  accelerate climate change; in fact,                                                               
management   activities  necessary   to   effect  a   region-wide                                                               
conversion to  biomass heating  will have  negative consequences.                                                               
The  conversion recommendation  by the  draft SEIRP  is a  missed                                                               
opportunity  for Southeast  to instead  export storable,  carbon-                                                               
free sources  of energy such  as hydrogen production.   Mr. Beebe                                                               
does not support  opening the region to  private development, nor                                                               
the   draft  SEIRP's   foregone  conclusion   of  a   region-wide                                                               
conversion  to   biomass  space   heating.     Furthermore,  this                                                               
conversion to  biomass will rely  on federal subsidies,  and does                                                               
not pass the "sustainability test."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:53:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL   SOUTHLAND,   executive  director,   Alaska-Canada   Energy                                                               
Coalition; Interim  General Manager, Thomas Bay  Power Authority,                                                               
said he  is a former mayor  and city council member  of Wrangell,                                                               
and was speaking on behalf  of the Alaska-Canada Energy Coalition                                                               
("ACEcoalition"), which  is a  group of  businesses, individuals,                                                               
tribal entities, and communities in  Alaska and Canada.  Wrangell                                                               
and  British   Columbia  have  had   a  trade   relationship  for                                                               
centuries,  and   the  ACEcoalition  was  formed   to  promote  a                                                               
connection to the North America  grid for the purpose of building                                                               
a  "backbone"   with  which  to  develop   the  renewable  energy                                                               
resources   of  Southeast.     Mr.   Southland  represented   the                                                               
ACEcoalition as a member of  the SEIRP advisory working group and                                                               
found the  draft SEIRP gravely  flawed.  He relayed  a simplified                                                               
version of the  plan, saying the process was driven  by AEA and a                                                               
select few in  a top down approach to planning.   The early focus                                                               
on biomass, even before contract  work had begun, indicated bias.                                                               
He said many  communities face an energy  crisis, yet assumptions                                                               
by  the draft  SEIRP only  look  at the  home heating  component.                                                               
Although  consumers have  chosen electricity  over oil  heat, the                                                               
draft SEIRP  recommends changing  consumer behavior with  DSM and                                                               
biomass,  instead  of  following   marketing  forces  and  market                                                               
principles.  Furthermore, the draft  SEIRP repeatedly states that                                                               
oil prices  will return to a  lower or more normal  level, and he                                                               
said this  is "ludicrous."  As  a matter of fact,  Black & Veatch                                                               
has published on  the Internet for other clients  that oil prices                                                               
will  increase.     Mr.  Southland  advised   that  the  November                                                               
presentation  to  the advisory  working  group  on the  Southeast                                                               
intertie  concept  was  poor  and   ill  prepared,  and  "heavily                                                               
weighted  towards  submarine  cables   spanning  north  to  south                                                               
throughout  the  region."   Subsequently,  another  meeting of  a                                                               
select few of  the utility members of the working  group was held                                                               
in Seattle, and "transmission,  connections, and large hydropower                                                               
storage  projects  were  dropped   from  the  discussion."    Mr.                                                               
Southland  praised  the  economics   of  existing  interties  and                                                               
questioned the  sources of the  estimates reflected in  the draft                                                               
SEIRP on  proposed projects,  and the  logic of  its conclusions.                                                               
He said  that the proposed  AK/BC Intertie is arguably  within 10                                                               
percent  of being  cost effective,  even with  flawed assumptions                                                               
and  screening for  import or  export.   On a  personal note,  he                                                               
observed that  the residents of  Angoon are facing a  dire energy                                                               
crisis  and have  been working  within the  rules to  acquire and                                                               
develop  hydropower projects,  yet  have been  thwarted at  every                                                               
turn by  "real power"  and discrimination.   Mr.  Southland urged                                                               
that the draft SEIRP "must be fixed."                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:00:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STAN SELMER,  Mayor, Municipality of Skagway,  opined Skagway has                                                               
already been  harmed by the  draft SEIRP because  its application                                                               
for renewable energy funding of  the 25 megawatt West Creek Hydro                                                               
project,  the  primary  purpose  of which  is  to  offset  diesel                                                               
generation  by cruise  ships that  dock  in Skagway  from May  to                                                               
September.   The secondary purpose  of the project is  to provide                                                               
power to the  local grid during periods of shortfall,  and to the                                                               
Yukon grid  in winter.   The  funding for this  project -  in the                                                               
amount of  $238,000 for feasibility  and conceptual design  - was                                                               
denied on  the basis of a  flawed document "that was  not even in                                                               
the hands of  the working group yet."  Mr.  Selmer said the draft                                                               
SEIRP was  used to  deny the funding  because its  reference load                                                               
forecast did  not include  cruise ship  loads.   Furthermore, the                                                               
least cost course  of action in Upper Lynn  Canal reference cases                                                               
did  not include  adding hydro  capacity until  2050.   After the                                                               
municipality  prepared  to  file  an  appeal,  AEA  withdrew  its                                                               
findings that  were based  on the  draft document;  however, even                                                               
though  the appeal  was successful,  other projects  have already                                                               
received awards, and now there  is no funding for Skagway's hydro                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
5:03:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MAVIS IRENE  HENRICKSEN said  she worked hard  in support  of the                                                               
intertie, and will send her written testimony to the committee.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:03:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HERFORD  BURFORD  said he  is  a  life-long Juneau  resident  and                                                               
University of Alaska  graduate.  He relayed a  personal story and                                                               
that this is the time of  water, and Southeast should utilize the                                                               
water it has.   He opined the plan does  not pay enough attention                                                               
to  getting access  from the  government.   The  facts show  that                                                               
British Columbia is interested in  the intertie, as are the First                                                               
Nations,  and BC  Hydro and  Power  Authority is  now building  a                                                               
major dam.   Mr. Burford  said biomass might work,  but Southeast                                                               
Alaska is  basically still owned  by the federal government.   He                                                               
encouraged the committee  not to walk away from the  plan, but to                                                               
ask the  right questions because  the "thrust  of it is  a little                                                               
bit suspect."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:07:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special Committee on Energy meeting was adjourned at 5:09 p.m.                                                                  

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Comments for House Energy Committee__23-Feb SE-IRP Hearing__Edwards.pdf HENE 2/23/2012 3:00:00 PM
Southeast Integrated Resource Plan
Southeast Integrated Resourse Plan